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Good Segment alternatives (It's too expensive for B2C)

We're currently looking at a few alternatives
- https://getanalytics.io/ roll your own
- https://rudderstack.com/
- https://www.freshpaint.io/
any experience with the above tools, other tools?

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patrickt010's avatar
2 years ago

It would be great to know more about if you're looking at using it as a CDP or a data router. There are three key products that Segment offers: Personas, Protocols, Connections.

Hull.io, Lytics, and mParticle are all alternatives to Personas.

Rudderstack & Freshpaint are alternatives to Connections. Rudderstack being OSS and Freshpaint supporting explicit capture similar to Heap (there are strong pros + cons for this approach. See Implicit Versus Explicit Event Tracking: Hits and Misses.

Iterative.ly (I'm a co-founder) is similar to Protocols. It helps your team collaborate to define your tracking plan and capture data that you trust by streamlining and automating the QA process.

I'd recommend checking out Snowplow Analytics as well if you want to own your data infra. Many B2C companies including Trello, Gitlab, etc. use opensource Snowplow and it scales well.

If I can ever help feel free to ping me.

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@iCanAutomate (replying to @patrickt010 )
2 years ago

Iterative.ly is awesome, makes it so much easier to build and maintain a tracking plan!

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@maguay (replying to @iCanAutomate )
2 years ago

How much does Iteratively cost your team? Looks like they only list a basic plan with 2 connectors, then "Enterprise."

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@iCanAutomate (replying to @maguay )
2 years ago

I happen to be an early adopter and therefore it didn't cost us anything at the time. @patrickt010 can tell you more about their pricing.

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@patrickt010 (replying to @maguay )
2 years ago

Iteratively costs $30/user/mo for each collaborator (typically PM, Analyst) with unlimited view only seats, minimum of 5 collaborators. You unlock more features at the enterprise level with a minimum of 50 seats.

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@patrickt010 (replying to @iCanAutomate )
2 years ago

🙏 It's been great working with you.

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@dwenaus (replying to @patrickt010 )
2 years ago

Thanks for the post Patrick. We really like the idea of owning our data so snowplow is quite attractive. (And snowcatcloud,com offer managed hosting which helps).

Good article we are interested in a hybrid approach to tracking: so explicitly tracking the core funnel but maybe also tracking eVery thing else so we can retroactivity see other data we may need. We might keep it simple at first and just track core events to keep the price reasonable.

Your app looks quite interesting- so if I understand it would generate the tracking code for the connectors like segment and snowplow based on what we enter into your app’s UI. Cool concept!

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@patrickt010 (replying to @dwenaus )
2 years ago

Joao at Snowcat is great!

Glad you like it! You manage your tracking plan in Iteratively and use our dev toolkit to instrument your product faster without the bugs. With Snowplow Analytics as a destination we're an Iglu compatible registry so it makes it really easy to manage self-describing JSONs avoiding the typical work required.

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awwstn's avatar
2 years ago

Following, because I think we might also be looking to migrate somewhat soon. We just finished our year on Segment's startup plan.

A couple things from a time this came up previously:

@drewblas mentioned Hull.io

@ezramechaber mentioned Metarouter

Also @bumberg (who, it's worth noting, works for Rudderstack) mentioned that Rudderstack is compatible with Segment's APIs so the migration is fairly straightforward.

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@rpatools (replying to @awwstn )
2 years ago

Hull.io is what I would say too

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iCanAutomate's avatar
2 years ago

mParticle is a good alternative and so is Lytics and Hull. That said, all of them offer something that the other doesn't offer so it really boils down to your exact needs. What data sources and destinations do you need?

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dwenaus's avatar
2 years ago

Pince I posted this i also found Posthog. And while it’s more of an open source Mixpanel amplitude or Heap replacement (not really segment as originally asked) it seems very promising so I thought I’d share. https://posthog.com.

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@maguay (replying to @dwenaus )
2 years ago

Oh nice, that'd fit in well alongside a Segment replacement to make sense of your data.

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soumyadeb's avatar
2 years ago

Founder of RudderStack here.

If you are already on Segment, RudderStack should be a seamless migration because we are API compatible with Segment - you just need to swap out the SDKs and host our open-source backend (https://github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server). We also have a hosted offering in case you don't want to manage it yourself. Already working with a few large B2C companies who have moved off Segment.

Of the other options, Snowplow Analytics is also pretty popular (we see a lot of that in conversations). It doesn't have 3rd party app integrations but if your goal is to get data into a warehouse or S3, it would work too. As would RudderStack.

Freel free to reach out to soumyadeb@rudderstack.com OR join our discord channel (https://discord.com/invite/xNEdEGw) if you need any clarifications.

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BernardMontreal's avatar
9 months ago

Why not subscribe to JoinSecret and apply for the 50,000$ of Segment credits for startups.
Hit me up if you need a discount code.

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MarketerGraham's avatar
2 years ago

Hey Austin,
Graham here, I help to run the Segment Startup Program.

I wanted to leave some helpful details here.
Companies that have:
<$5M in funding
<2 years from founding

get these perks:
-$50k in Segment credits for a year
-$1M in software deals

What most people may not know:
- You can apply for a renewal of those credits as long as you still meet the criteria.

If you don't meet the criteria:
- If you haven't raised money -> you get 50% off the team or business plan
- if you have raised money -> you still get 50% off of a business plan and if you have more than about 70k MTU this will be cheaper than a business plan.
- This 50% off lasts for a year, followed by a year of 25% off.

Glad to answer any questions.

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@NiklasRaab (replying to @MarketerGraham )
9 months ago

@MarketerGraham

If you are a part of the startup program and at the same time doing "testing in production" Semgent is almost impossible to use, because of all the test data which you can only filter out if you are on a business plan. Which is to expensive right at the beginning.

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